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Chronos User Discussion / Re: Chronos 1.4 Footage Thread
« Last post by Nikon1 on June 17, 2020, 06:58:52 AM »
Edit: By the way, you should try using DAIN. It uses AI, depth awareness when doing motion interpolation so it should be better than Twixtor. It's also a free program but you can donate too. The downside is that it only runs on certain GPU cards and the render time can be quite long. I actually have been doing motion interpolation tests as well. While neither are perfect, I think it has less artifcacts than Twixtor.

I just saw the banding you speak of. That actually a highlighting artifact from Lightroom for one of the sliders. Forgot to disable it.
Never heard about DAIN, will maybe check it out at some point, but Twixtor, even though not perfect seem like a VERY solid Plugin, just like AE itself, and while not crazy fast, its also not THAT slow. Artifacts are kind of expected with that kind of stuff like you would use Twixtor for, and i think a lot of it comes down to how you shot whatever you try to edit with it, just like Neat also cant magically convert a crappy, shaky phone Snapshot from a dark Backyard at night into a high-res well-Lit Stock-Photo.... If you feed Twixtor right, it produces very good results, i used the Free Test-Version now quite a bit, but that one has either a Watermark or takes some Serious rendertime (Talking 10x to the full version) if you work around the Watermark with some nifty tricks. Otherwise pretty happy with it. Anyhow, i will see what that DAIN is all about if i find some time, maybe its just actually better?
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Chronos User Discussion / Re: Chronos 1.4 Footage Thread
« Last post by Nikon1 on June 17, 2020, 06:50:23 AM »
That's the downside of Neat Video 5 is the speed. The render times can increase about 4X especially when rendering out to 4K. 1080P rendering is not too bad but still expect about a 1.25X increase when rendering with Neat Video than without it. Having a powerful GPU and CPU will help a ton. The program has an option to use both to increase speed. My system has a six-core i7 8700K CPU and a NVIDIA GTX 1080 mobile card.

Yeah, I mean as long as you aren't pixel peeping and zooming in the upscaled footage, it looks pretty decent. It's weird cause I'm not seeing any serious banding on mine. Are you watching it on an HDR TV? I'll have some more footage in the coming days. I took note of the shots you wanted to see. Thanks again for the feedback.
4x Rendertime is not that bad honestly. Rendering / Editing 4k on its own is quite the task itself, not to even mention effects like upscaling, even for a decent modern PC of any sort.The Banding isnt super visible on an average monitor, but i have two TN-Panels and an IPS (All uhd, some of the First reasonable ones that were made, only the IPS is newer and reasonable color-Accurate, but its smaller size), the TNīs Have some Strange, tight viewing angles and on top of them, one of them is Mounted upside down (dont even ask why, that would take to long to propperly explain  ;D ). So, with those Monitors you will instantly notice anything wrong in the Higlights or shadows if you move your head the smalles bit. I put them Into AE and put some curves on it, to see it better and its definatly there, but not the end of the World. I guess most people wont even notice unless you asked them about it and they looked for it. Left is the Upscaled File, right is the Original Footage File. I guess the Banding comes from the Neat-Plugin trying to also Sharpen the edges of the seperate tones in the Sky or some other additional Processing its doing apart from Sharpening. Its kinda hard to notice i guess, but i just saw that instantly on my Monitor.
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Chronos User Discussion / Re: Chronos 1.4 Footage Thread
« Last post by B.H.V on June 17, 2020, 06:35:19 AM »
The downside of Neat Video 5 is the speed. The render times can increase about 4X especially when rendering out to 4K. 1080P rendering is not too bad but still expect about a 1.25X increase when rendering with Neat Video than without it. Having a powerful GPU and CPU will help a ton. The program has an option to use both to increase speed. My system has a six-core i7 8700K CPU and a NVIDIA GTX 1080 mobile card.

Yeah, I mean as long as you aren't pixel peeping and zooming in the upscaled footage, it looks pretty decent. It's weird cause I'm not seeing any serious banding on mine. Are you watching it on an HDR TV? I'll have some more footage in the coming days. I took note of the shots you wanted to see. Thanks again for the feedback.

Edit: By the way, you should try using DAIN. It uses AI, depth awareness when doing motion interpolation so it should be better than Twixtor. It's also a free program but you can donate too. The downside is that it only runs on certain GPU cards and the render time can be quite long. I actually have been doing motion interpolation tests as well. While neither are perfect, I think it has less artifcacts than Twixtor.

I just saw the banding you speak of. That actually a highlighting artifact from Lightroom for one of the sliders. Forgot to disable it.
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Chronos User Discussion / Re: 1.4 Boot problem
« Last post by patrickrebstock on June 17, 2020, 06:13:26 AM »
i also have been having weird booting on the new firmware 4 it takes about 5 times to get it to actually turn on yesterday\
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Chronos User Discussion / Re: Chronos 1.4 Footage Thread
« Last post by Nikon1 on June 17, 2020, 06:12:37 AM »
Thanks for sharing that file. I can play around with it too. Yeah, I heard a lot about the Nikon J5. I wonder why they never continued making newer models based on it. I think a year or two after they discontinued it, the Sony RX100 IV and Sony RX10 II got released that could do similar frame rates but at a higher resolution. One advantage that it has that you mentioned is that it is an interchangeable body.

So here are two clips I did. One was shot at 1280 X 1024 and the other was upscaled to 4096 X 2304. You can see a little difference. Definitely not as drastic as the other one, but I think it is cleaner. Again, I shot DNG sequences for this one. The files are below. I'll shoot more challenging scenes.



https://www.mediafire.com/file/b7i69w9nppuau0o/Bird_Takeoff_1%2C000_FPS_1280_X_1024.avi/file

https://www.mediafire.com/file/mysc4t6o9jh6vup/Bird_Takeoff_1%252C000_FPS_4096_X_2304.mp4/file
Played around with the two files a bit, and the Upscaling result ist definatly something else than anything i can do with basic effects quickly. Doesnt look too natural when zoomed in, you can definately tell some kind of serious image processing is going on, but still no sign of that typical over-Sharpened look you get when trying to forcing sharpness and not too distracting overall for the average viewer, with still a ton more details than the plain footage.A thing i really dislike is, what it does with the out of focus-Highlights. Serious banding going on there. but that could be worked around with some Kind of masking rather easily if nessercary. Neat is not that bad after all it seems. I might think about buying it, when i end up needing to upscale more often in the future. i would propably end up using it at 150 to 200% Scaling at most times, but first i need to get some other stuff as far as software goes, an actuall legit licence of Twixtor pro is way higher on the list... but still, i will keep that in mind. Last question i had about Neat Video was how it compares in render Times? So, Exporting the Footage blank, without any effects at native Resolution at compareable Bitrate to the Reder Time of the Same File with Just the Upscaling applied (no other effects).
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Chronos User Discussion / Re: Chronos 1.4 Footage Thread
« Last post by Nikon1 on June 17, 2020, 05:42:56 AM »
The Most sad thing about the Whole 1-Series from Nikon is, just HOW far ahead of its time it was. I think people where just not ready for it, and also Nikon did a pretty bad job at marketing with those cameras and propably caused a lot of wrong expectations and confusion and propably also held back a bit too much in some aspects. Just remember the J1 from that series, the original "1" Nikon (Which came out 2012, but dont quote me on an Exact date...), that one did Full Resolution bursts of photos at 10MP Sensor Resolution and 60 Frames Per second. And that camera also allready did 400fps and 1200fps (Just like any 1-Series Nikon) back then on an (kinda) affordable, VERY portable and small, user friendly interchangeable Lens Camera, which is pretty crazy. Problem with the whole system was mostly, that Nikon somehow allways ended up intentionally crippling the Cameras for Whatever reason and somehow never fully commiting to it. That made them Never really catch too much popularity. Problems included, that they never really made a lot of lenses for the System (though the Lenses that are available are INSANELY good!), and also tried seemingly everything to make it difficult for you to use other lenses With the Sysem (For example, the Camera clearly has Focus Magnification, Auto-ISO, Auto Exposure, Focus Assistant and many other things, but they dont work unless with orignal Nikon Glass). And also a few other "little" things like this. This propably ended up frustrating true full-Time professionals who tried it as Workhorses and more serious users (though the system clearly never was intended for that according to nikon), and it propably also was too complicated for those who just wanted to get an point-And Shoot. The small group of people Left to buy the Cameras (at a still rather high price point if you just look at it as an small Photo-Camera in comparison to what was available at the time), then ended up not producing enough sales apparently. You can really tell, that a lot of R&D went into making these Cameras. I took apart quite a few from the J-Series and Modified them, and all of them Are very well made and surprisingly well and Strong built. There is no tiny bit of space Wasted inside, packed full, really nicely built cameras. Then, as they saw that the system somehow never really took off after multiple attempts, they seemingly started an last attempt to kickstart the Sales for the System with the J5, the Last one of the System. They got a ton right with this camera (Ergonomics for the size of camera and general layout is the Best ive ever seen on a camera that "small") and sold it at an rather agressive, competitive price point, but still ended up crippling it to death, and with that, not much later, Nikon sadly decided to discontiue the System Completely. biggest fails in the J5 were that they still continued to disable focus assistants and Automatic Exposure functions for third-Party lenses (the Exposure Meter finally worked with this one), didnt allow for external Flash, the Weird limitations on video (just 15fps on 4K video...? 1/60s Maximum exposure, even at 15 and 30fps...? again no auto-Exposure or auto-Iso -anything for Manual Lenses...and some more), no audio-in and a lot of other seemingly intentionally missing options in the Menu. I know that thats kind of what the V-Series was for (external Flash and Audio-in) but those wherent much better in terms of overall missing functions and also way more Expensive. I never missed the Viewfinder on any of the J-Series however. The Fact that Viewfinders where optional or not even availble on this series of cameras triggered so many people for some reason... As Far as the J5 goes, the Screen is actually that good that you dont even really ever need one and also are WAY more Flexible than if it had one.
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 However, its a great system, and they really could have taken this System places with newer sensors and new processors nowerdays. Remember, all the 1-Series Sensors are Sony-Chips from what i know, Nikon usualy gets acces to them after Sony is done building a camera with them (RX-Series in this case) and somehow still end up getting better results out of them then, so, as you said, imagine the Sony RX-Specs on an Camera body of the Same Size with interchangeable lens mount and an Reasonable Amount of buttons and options to make it very useable! I never quite understood, what they actually tried to achive with all the Limitations on those cameras...? Maybe something like Canon is known for doing since many Years, where they intentionally left out functionality on Small, Cheap Cameras to force you buy the Big Cameras if you want certain functions to not make everyone just buy the Cheaper option instead? Never really figured that out, anyways, thats one of the things that killed the System in the Long term. Apart from all the Flaws (which any system in Existence has btw.) ist an amazing, yet rather Pricey System. The System gets a lot of hate in some Places, some is justified, as i explained above, some really not. But anyone i know who actually looked into it and tried it himself, loved it.
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 For me (and i looked at quite some Cameras) the J5 is just THE Camera to use. Its not quite "up to date" in terms of latest features anymore, but its also still holds up very well. Overall its a very fun to use and very streamlined Camera. Still havnt found anything nearly as good/nice to maybe replace it at some point, guess iīll just stay with the J5 for a while.
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Chronos User Discussion / Re: Chronos 1.4 Footage Thread
« Last post by B.H.V on June 17, 2020, 04:32:14 AM »
Thanks for sharing that file. I can play around with it too. Yeah, I heard a lot about the Nikon J5. I wonder why they never continued making newer models based on it. I think a year or two after they discontinued it, the Sony RX100 IV and Sony RX10 II got released that could do similar frame rates but at a higher resolution. One advantage that it has that you mentioned is that it is an interchangeable body.

So here are two clips I did. One was shot at 1280 X 1024 and the other was upscaled to 4096 X 2304. You can see a little difference. Definitely not as drastic as the other one, but I think it is cleaner. Again, I shot DNG sequences for this one. The files are below. I'll shoot more challenging scenes.



https://www.mediafire.com/file/b7i69w9nppuau0o/Bird_Takeoff_1%2C000_FPS_1280_X_1024.avi/file

https://www.mediafire.com/file/mysc4t6o9jh6vup/Bird_Takeoff_1%252C000_FPS_4096_X_2304.mp4/file
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Chronos User Discussion / Re: New 3350 mAh battery
« Last post by patrickrebstock on June 16, 2020, 11:04:04 PM »
I have 2 on the way... I will test to see how long they last.
how did the test go with the jupio?
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Chronos User Discussion / Re: Speed booster St Chronos 2.1
« Last post by Nikon1 on June 16, 2020, 09:44:15 PM »
Nice! Guess Mount is from an MFT-Extention Tube?
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